{"id":1958,"date":"2021-12-08T22:05:27","date_gmt":"2021-12-08T22:05:27","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/crowhill.net\/blog\/?p=1958"},"modified":"2021-12-08T22:27:40","modified_gmt":"2021-12-08T22:27:40","slug":"a-symbolic-interpretation-of-genesis-by-jonathan-pageau","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/crowhill.net\/blog\/2021\/12\/08\/a-symbolic-interpretation-of-genesis-by-jonathan-pageau\/","title":{"rendered":"A symbolic interpretation of Genesis by Jonathan Pageau"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Jordan Peterson&#8217;s podcast recently included a lecture Jonathan Pageau gave to some group of Jungian psychologists. It&#8217;s pretty interesting stuff. <\/p>\n<p>After presenting his general thoughts, he goes through Genesis 1 and explains how a symbolic view of the text makes sense of the structure. It&#8217;s a matter of God progressively separating actuality from potentiality, or &#8230; something like that. I get confused when people use words like that, but the basic idea is you have the intellectual side of things being separated from the physical side of things. <\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;m sure he&#8217;d say I got that wrong, but that&#8217;s how I took it. It&#8217;s almost like a Russian doll &#8212; progressive layers of the same sort of separation, nested inside one another. <\/p>\n<p>The separation goes like this. <\/p>\n<ul>\n<li> God from the creation.\n<li> Heavens from the earth.\n<li> Spirit of God (order) hovering over the waters (chaos).\n<li> Light from dark.\n<li> Then there&#8217;s the creation of another kind of heaven, separated from the waters.\n<li> The dry land is separated from the waters. <\/ul>\n<p>Etc. etc. You know the general story, but he casts it as the separation of meaning \/ logos from chaotic stuff, creating a progressively more ordered world. <\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;ve heard other people explain Genesis like this. The world was &#8220;without form and void,&#8221; or literally (they say) &#8220;without form and without filling,&#8221; so the basic structure was to create the forms in the first 3 days and to fill them in the next 3 days. E.g., form = light and dark (Day 1), filling = sun, moon and stars (Day 4). form = upper and lower expanses (Day 2), filling = birds and fish (Day 5). <\/p>\n<p>Both structures seem to have some merit, and if you have a long drive ahead of you, it&#8217;s worth a listen to Pageau&#8217;s explanation. <\/p>\n<p>But all these explanations don&#8217;t answer an important question. Did people in the past interpret the text as an explanation of how things happened?  <\/p>\n<p>Sometimes people seem to think that as long as you can show that the text is organized according to a pattern which has a greater (more symbolic, more archetypal, &#8230;) meaning, that means you&#8217;re not supposed to see the text as explaining what actually happened. <\/p>\n<p>I don&#8217;t think that follows, because the two thoughts are not incompatible. A person can believe God actually created things that way, and yes, they also show this cool order \/ structure \/ symbolism. He is God after all, so you don&#8217;t expect Him to create willy nilly. <\/p>\n<p>IOW, coming up with a really cool symbolic way to understand Genesis 1 is really valuable, but it doesn&#8217;t seem to address the modern person&#8217;s concern that the Bible portrays the creation of the world in a way that a modern person isn&#8217;t going to accept. <\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Jordan Peterson&#8217;s podcast recently included a lecture Jonathan Pageau gave to some group of Jungian psychologists. It&#8217;s pretty interesting stuff. After presenting his general thoughts, he goes through Genesis 1 and explains how a symbolic view of the text makes sense of the structure. It&#8217;s a matter of God progressively separating actuality from potentiality, or &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/crowhill.net\/blog\/2021\/12\/08\/a-symbolic-interpretation-of-genesis-by-jonathan-pageau\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;A symbolic interpretation of Genesis by Jonathan Pageau&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-1958","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/crowhill.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1958","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/crowhill.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/crowhill.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/crowhill.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/crowhill.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=1958"}],"version-history":[{"count":5,"href":"https:\/\/crowhill.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1958\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":1963,"href":"https:\/\/crowhill.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1958\/revisions\/1963"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/crowhill.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=1958"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/crowhill.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=1958"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/crowhill.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=1958"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}