{"id":1631,"date":"2021-09-13T12:50:58","date_gmt":"2021-09-13T12:50:58","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/crowhill.net\/blog\/?p=1631"},"modified":"2021-09-13T13:37:43","modified_gmt":"2021-09-13T13:37:43","slug":"what-happened-to-herd-immunity","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/crowhill.net\/blog\/2021\/09\/13\/what-happened-to-herd-immunity\/","title":{"rendered":"What happened to herd immunity?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>We used to hear a lot about it. We need to get a combination of natural immunity and vaccinated immunity up to XX% of the population to protect the herd. But now, all I hear about is vaccinations, and the &#8220;unvaccinated&#8221; (those evil people!) aren&#8217;t divided into &#8220;had Covid&#8221; and &#8220;haven&#8217;t had Covid,&#8221; which seems like a pretty important thing. (Also, &#8220;unvaccinated&#8221; means &#8220;not fully vaccinated,&#8221; so some of them have had one shot, or have had both and it&#8217;s been too recent.) <\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s very suspicious to me that there isn&#8217;t more attention to the rate of natural immunity among the unvaccinated. If the goal is immunity, you&#8217;d think that would be an important figure. We&#8217;d also want lots of stats on which type of immunity &#8212; natural or vaccine &#8212; is more effective. (I&#8217;m bullet proof. I&#8217;ve have both!) <\/p>\n<p>It seems clear the goal is arm jabs, and not necessarily because that&#8217;s the best path to herd immunity. <\/p>\n<p>Why? <\/p>\n<p>And why is nobody &#8220;following the money&#8221; on these vaccinations? They&#8217;re &#8220;free,&#8221; which means somebody is paying for it in some non-transparent way, which sounds like a great opportunity for corruption. <\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;m very thankful for the strenuous efforts the drug companies went to to create these vaccines. But when money is being tossed around, somebody should be checking on it. <\/p>\n<p>Also, I am absolutely not anti-vaccine. Get your stupid vaccine (unless you&#8217;ve already had it, in which case ask your doctor). But the way this story is playing out doesn&#8217;t make sense, and it&#8217;s no wonder people are suspicious. <\/p>\n<p><b>Addendum:<\/b> After writing this post, I did a little searching on whether vaccinated people are less of a transmission threat than non-vaccinated people, which seems to be the assumption of all the &#8220;protect the vaccinated from the non-vaccinated&#8221; talk. <\/p>\n<blockquote><p><b>Q: Can fully vaccinated people still transmit the virus to others, including other vaccinated people? <\/b> <\/p>\n<p>A: While it is possible, Dr. Cardona says that the ability to transmit COVID-19 may occur at a lower rate. (<a href=\"https:\/\/health.clevelandclinic.org\/can-vaccinated-people-transmit-covid-19-to-others\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Source.<\/a>) <\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><i>May?<\/i> We don&#8217;t know? The president sure seems to think he knows. <\/p>\n<blockquote><p>People who have received a COVID-19 vaccine and later become infected with the coronavirus tend to have a lower viral load according to a <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nejm.org\/doi\/full\/10.1056\/NEJMoa2107058?query=featured_home\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">new study<\/a> published Wednesday in the <i>New England Journal of Medicine<\/i>. (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.webmd.com\/vaccines\/covid-19-vaccine\/news\/20210702\/study-says-vaccinated-people-who-get-covid-carry-less-virus\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Source.<\/a>) <\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><i>Tend.<\/i> Great. One study says &#8220;tend.&#8221; But then &#8230; <\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Data from COVID-19 tests in the United States, the United Kingdom and Singapore are showing that vaccinated people who become infected with Delta SARS-CoV-2 can carry as much virus in their nose as do unvaccinated people. (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.nature.com\/articles\/d41586-021-02187-1\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Source<\/a> <\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>I guess the problem is which agenda the source is supporting: the perpetual fear agenda, or the &#8220;everybody get vaccinated right now and don&#8217;t ask any questions&#8221; agenda. <\/p>\n<p>Finally, here&#8217;s something that supports the president&#8217;s position. <\/p>\n<blockquote><p>A growing body of evidence indicates that people fully vaccinated with an mRNA vaccine (Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna) are less likely than unvaccinated persons to acquire SARS-CoV-2 or to transmit it to others. However, the risk for SARS-CoV-2 breakthrough infection in fully vaccinated people cannot be completely eliminated as long as there is continued community transmission of the virus. (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.cdc.gov\/coronavirus\/2019-ncov\/science\/science-briefs\/fully-vaccinated-people.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Source.<\/a>) <\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>It may be true that vaccinated people are less likely to spread Covid than the un-vaccinated. Then again, it may not. <\/p>\n<p><i>Get your stupid vaccine.<\/i> But please, people, let&#8217;s stop insisting on things that we don&#8217;t know are true, and please, please, stop calling your preferred opinion &#8220;the science.&#8221; <\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>We used to hear a lot about it. We need to get a combination of natural immunity and vaccinated immunity up to XX% of the population to protect the herd. But now, all I hear about is vaccinations, and the &#8220;unvaccinated&#8221; (those evil people!) aren&#8217;t divided into &#8220;had Covid&#8221; and &#8220;haven&#8217;t had Covid,&#8221; which seems &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/crowhill.net\/blog\/2021\/09\/13\/what-happened-to-herd-immunity\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;What happened to herd immunity?&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-1631","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/crowhill.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1631","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/crowhill.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/crowhill.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/crowhill.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/crowhill.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=1631"}],"version-history":[{"count":8,"href":"https:\/\/crowhill.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1631\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":1641,"href":"https:\/\/crowhill.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1631\/revisions\/1641"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/crowhill.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=1631"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/crowhill.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=1631"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/crowhill.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=1631"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}