Panpsychism — too weird, or an important correction?

Yesterday I listened to Michael Shermer interview Philip Goff about his new book on panpsychism.

Panpsychism is the idea that consciousness is a fundamental property.

I think about it this way.

If you start with the idea that matter only has the kinds of properties a physicist could measure, then consciousness becomes a very hard thing to explain. Protons have no consciousness. Rocks have no consciousness. A blade of grass has no consciousness. These things are just mechanical systems. So why, when a physical thing gets to a certain level of complexity — e.g., a dog, or a human — does it suddenly take on this additional property? It’s not clear there’s a point to having a subjective experience of the color red, and … actually, that’s beside the point in any event. What is the mechanism, in a purely physical world, for there even to be such a thing as a subjective experience?

It seems that if you start with “purely material” stuff and try to work your way up, consciousness is a difficult thing. That’s the so-called “hard problem of consciousness.”

But what if you go in the other direction? Rather than trying to build a conscious thing from unconscious parts, why not start with consciousness as a given? That’s the reality, after all. I know that I am conscious more surely than I know anything else in the world — more surely, certainly, than I know that a proton is not conscious, or even that a proton exists. (The idea that a proton has something like consciousness is certainly very weird.)

So as long as you can escape solipsism, it’s easy to move from there to the recognition that other humans are also conscious, and then you start to realize that apes have a sense of self, and even some birds (including crows, by the way!). Dogs have a more limited consciousness, etc., and as you work your way down, towards less complexity, you can see that fish have some level of consciousness, and so on. Maybe there’s some sense in which a jellyfish, or a tree, has some weird type of consciousness. And maybe, when a protozoa reacts to stimuli, it’s experiencing something remotely analogous to fear.

We’re raised on the idea that things like protozoa are just biological machines. But that assumption leads to the hard problem of consciousness. If we reject that assumption — if we say that something like consciousness is a fundamental property — does that eliminate the “hard problem”?

And what would it be like to live with that assumption? In the western world, we live with the assumption that things are mechanical. What would it be like to think that the universe, and everything in it, has something like consciousness?

It’s a very weird idea, but it’s possible there’s something to it. I think it needs a lot more work — e.g., if consciousness is a fundamental property, is a planet conscious, or only things that have certain types of complexity? And why would that be so?

We desperately need to have the courage to tell these sissies to grow up

Penguin Random House Staff Confront Publisher About New Jordan Peterson Book

They cried. Over a book. By a clinical psychologist and professor of psychology.

This anti-free-speech nonsense has to end, and we need to tell these sissies who are “triggered” by anything they don’t agree with that we simply don’t care about their feelings.

What is Trump’s strategy in contesting the election?

His chances of successfully contesting the results were small to begin with, and they have become smaller each day. Now there’s virtually no chance — unless the Kraken appears in about the next five minutes.

So what’s the end game?

Trump is a spoil sport and can’t accept defeat, or that he was ever wrong. And that may be enough explanation, but I think it’s deeper than that. I think Trump is very angry about the disgraceful way he was treated by the Democrats, and he wants to pay them back. See this as an example of that kind of thinking.

The 2020 election has provided fertile ground upon which Republicans can spend the next four years doing to Joe Biden what the Democrats did to Donald Trump and George W. Bush.

For four years, Democrats and their media allies trumpeted every claim, no matter how baseless or crazy, that Trump’s 2016 election win was illegitimate and fraudulent. Despite zero evidence that so much as a single vote was interfered with, Democrats peddled the hoax that Russia interfered in the 2016 election to elect Trump. Even after the Mueller investigation exonerated Trump and his campaign from the collusion canard, Democrats, led by the shameless Adam Schiff, continued to allege collusion. Their simple goal was to undermine and delegitimize the Trump presidency. It clearly worked to the degree some voters turned their backs on Trump even as they voted Republican down-ballot. Revenge of the Republicans

Are we going to have four more years of “not my president,” now from the Republicans?

I hope not.

I’m sure there was cheating in the election. Humans were involved, and humans cheat. But I doubt there was enough cheating to make a difference. Still, credible claims of voter fraud must be investigated, and, if found, new measures must be put in place to make sure things are fair.

At the same time, we have to allow the normal process to go forward unless and until there’s clear, compelling evidence of sufficient fraud to call the results into question.

Which raises an interesting question. What if Biden is inaugurated and then we determine, five months later, that he didn’t really win?

I don’t think that’s going to happen, but I wonder what the procedure would be.

Also, Trump has not been one to follow presidential precedent. Ex-presidents are supposed to fade into the background and allow the new guy to do his job.

I don’t think Trump will do that. I think he’ll start campaigning for 2024 as soon as he leaves office.

What causes poverty, and can we fix it?

P&C drink and review Pigweed’s Silky Well Digger Porter, then discuss the poor.

What contributes to poverty? Does poverty cause bad neighborhoods? Do bad neighborhoods cause poverty? What makes poverty persist in an area?

A recent study shows a correlation between poor neighborhoods and less impulse control and less ability to delay gratification. Can you catch poverty from your neighborhood?

Are better programs and better policies able to fix poverty? (How did the war on poverty work out?)

On the other hand, are there steps people can take to stay out of poverty?