Fining the Poor — should they get a break?

The boys drink and review Midnight Lager by Stella Artois, then discuss the disproportionate impact of fines on the poor.

A fine that is a nuisance for your average person can push a poor person into a spiral that results in prison — the so-called “ticket to prison pipeline.” What’s the right reaction to that? A judge recently proposed that the poor should be exempt from some fines. Is that the right answer? P&C don’t think so.

Arrest violent pro-Trump demonstrators

I’m reading reports that Trump supporters have torn down metal security barricades at the bottom of the Capitol steps and have skirmished with police.

I sympathize with anyone who wants an open and public investigation into allegations the election was stolen. I am not convinced there was enough fraud to change the results, but I also reject out of hand the claim that there is “no evidence,” or that “the courts have already vetted these allegations.” Both claims are false. Whether the allegations of cheating have merit or not, there is no question there has been a conspiracy of silence and cover-up about the allegations, and that is bad for the country. There needs to be a fair, public and honest investigation.

These people do have a right peaceably to assemble and petition the government. But when protests get out of hand, the police need to intervene.

It’s a dead certainty that the media will magnify the threat of pro-Trump demonstrators, just as they minimize the threat of leftwing demonstrators, so don’t believe everything you hear. But as a matter of principle, protests that become violent need to be shut down and people need to go to jail.

Income inequality and Ireland

I sympathize with people who say the rich should pay more in taxes. A country needs money to operate, that money has to come from somewhere, and it makes sense for those who are the most fortunate to kick in a little extra. How much extra is always a matter of debate, but I think most people agree that some form of progressive income tax is appropriate, and we are all frustrated when we hear that some big corporation is paying little or no tax.

A lot of people believe the U.S. doesn’t impose enough tax on the wealthy, and with the changes coming in our national politics, this will be one the agenda again.

I’m not an expert on taxation, but it seems to me that a major problem with this idea is that it’s often easy for the rich to move. Countries and states and cities compete to attract new businesses so they can get the tax revenue, and one of the ways they do this is to lower taxes — because a lower portion of a big number is often better than a higher portion of a small number. If California decides the rich aren’t paying enough and raises the tax rate, people (and companies) will move to more tax-friendly states. And if the United States raises its taxes, people (and companies) will move to more tax-friendly countries.

Do the people who want to raise taxes believe they can force the rich to stay where they are?

What is the answer to all the people who think there was fraud in this election?

This article makes a good point: Ignoring And Ridiculing Election Fraud Concerns Will Not Make Them Go Away

Whether or not you agree there was massive electoral fraud in the 2020 presidential election does not really matter at this point. Every American should be deeply concerned if nearly half of all voters are convinced that large-scale fraud handed the election to the Biden-Harris ticket.

Some are acting as if the right response is simply to call these people ignorant rubes.

That’s a pretty common tactic these days, on all sides. For example, many conservatives think the left has been deceiving people about allegedly racist attacks by police. I don’t suspect conservatives will make much progress simply by saying it’s fake news. They need to address the concerns in a way that will persuade the people who believe the police are racist.

It’s an important issue. We can’t have a civil society when a large portion of the population believes the police are killing people because of their skin color. If they are, we need to take tremendous measures to fix that. But if they’re not, we need to take tremendous efforts to correct that misunderstanding.

The same is true of election integrity. We can’t have elections where almost 50 percent of the population believes there’s systemic bias. We need to find out the truth, and we need to communicate that.

Congressional hearings? A blue-ribbon panel? An open debate on national TV?

What’s the path forward?