We’re told that “gender” has nothing to do with biology, or with your sex organs. A woman can have a penis and a man can have a vagina, and don’t you dare deny it.
We’re also told that carving somebody up to create a penis or a vagina is “gender reassignment surgery.”
We are told that the sun rises and the sun sets. But don’t you dare say that the sun literally goes up and down!
We are not told that the second is an objective fact that we must respect lest we be science-hating ignoramuses as well as evil people who wish the death of those who think it doesn’t actually go up and down.
Definitely people who don’t know that the heliocentric theory is correct are ignoramuses. Granted most of us do not know this in a strictly scientific sense, it is nonetheless reasonable for us to believe it (much as it is reasonable for us to believe that George Washington was the first president of the USA or that Polio is preventable by means of vaccination). I have yet to hear anyone say that such ignoramuses wish the death of anyone, but most assuredly the willful indulgence in ignorance does not serve humanity well.
You just reversed the point, but that’s hardly surprising.
My original point remains well established: Our descriptions of the world, if taken literally, are often contrary to our knowledge.
QUOTE: We’re told that “gender” has nothing to do with biology, or with your sex organs.
Agreed…this is a confusing mess! On what basis are people making these claims? What I’ve heard is they “feel” a certain way and that validates their gender.
Wait! So, does that work in other critical life areas. So, if I “feel” as if I’m billionaire, should the rest of society respond accordingly? Should I contact my bank and creditors and inform them that I’m trans-economic and they should treat me as if I’m a billionaire? To do anything else would be discriminatory. After all, they respond to transgender people, per their “feelings”. Why can’t they respect my feelings as a trans-economic?
I heard a useful explanation of what’s going on here.
Most people think of sex as an objective fact. It has to do with your genitals, your chromosomes, etc.
Other people think of sex as an identity. Almost as something you put on, or act out. There’s no objective truth to it. It’s a preference, a feeling, etc. That’s why it makes sense to them that a man can get pregnant, or a woman can have a penis. The biological reality isn’t what makes them a man or a woman.
People who take the first view and people who take the second view can’t really communicate, because they’re talking about completely different things, but using the same words.
But what’s amusing — and what I’m pointing out in this post — is that they want to have it both ways. It’s an identity when you say “a man can get pregnant,” but it’s biological when you say “gender reassignment surgery.”
Yeah, I understood the distinction between the fact and identity perspectives. As well, that you were pointing out the obvious flaw in the “other people” argument. Yet, I was doing the same…using their premise of “feelings” and taking it to its illogical conclusion. When it’s tested it quickly falls apart.
If people want to consider themselves something they are not, that’s up to them. Yet, my issue becomes when they try to weaponize that and make everyone else submit to it. I remember when “Caitlyn” won the award for “courage” at the Espys. Courage???
Really??? Everyone, and I do mean everyone, could see they were applauding a man “dressed” as a woman. But, if one dared to say that it was indeed a man, they would have been castigated quicker than Trump could file a bogus lawsuit!
Right. People can play make-believe, but they can’t expect me to join.
I recently heard there’s significant numbers that regret having undergone gender reassignment surgery. I tried to confirm that but didn’t find much data. The available studies don’t seem to confirm there’s high regret. Yet, there’s anecdotal information that indicates it might be a larger number than reported (because it’s against the cultural narrative).
This source seems to be biased towards conservative perspectives. Yet, I wonder if they might be onto something. Could there really be a growing population of those who felt they were deceived by their own feelings and/or duped by the current cultural narrative?
But despite these low numbers and any possible issues with the format of the questionnaire, those who have lived life as a transgender male or female and who have detransitioned claim that the numbers are much higher and that people are afraid to speak out.
https://www.hli.org/resources/what-percentage-of-transgenders-regret-surgery/
I see two issues here. One is the number of people who regret their “transition.” But the more important one is children who grow up and sue their parents and their doctors for doing this to them. That’s where I see an avalanche coming.
Agreed. There’s going to be a lot of clean-up on aisle 6 to manage.
As adult children realize the err of their way (much too late), they might attempt to sue their parents and doctors but it might fall on deaf ears. Society is teaching parents that “whatever” a “child” wants should be honored by their parents. They “should” give into the foolish whims of their children (despite them not being fully equipped to make such adult decisions). So, with that as a norm, society at large (and the legal system), might be unsympathetic to children who have regret and even suppress their views or label them outliers (given research seems to indicate that most don’t regret such decisions). So, if adult children have regrets…it’s “their” fault. After all, the parents were only trying to be supportive and loving (as the irrational rationale will proclaim).
Good luck with trying to hold doctors accountable. They likely have release forms exempting them from any legal culpability. Legally and morally, they will quickly point their fingers back to the parents. As well, a society that’s twisted enough to celebrate “Caitlyn” as a “woman of courage”…just might be far gone enough to not hold doctors legally nor morally accountable for their actions. They will likely rationalize that they were only acting at the behest of parents.
The confusion continues…even in sacred spaces!
https://youtu.be/udsRF_luc28
So disturbing.
Indeed, SMH!