Some doofus has “married” a hologram.
‘Fictosexual’ man married hologram bride, but now struggles to bond with her
It’s amusing, and he can do whatever he likes (within some limits), but do the rest of us have to affirm this craziness? Or celebrate it?
The world is so strange today, you have to wonder when it will come to that — that you’ll be considered a horrible person if you don’t refer to Hatsune Miku (the hologram) as this guy’s wife.
Oh. And do you remember the slippery slope arguments about gay marriage?
Reality catching up to the plot of Ride Sally Ride
Very funny.
This reminds me of another “interesting” story. You can’t make this stuff up.
“Bodybuilder Yuri Tolochko had a rough start to 2021 – a sudden divorce. The controversial sportsman made headlines in 2020 after marrying a robot sex doll called Margo. He had to send her to be repaired, but while she healed the relationship didn’t and ended in separation. Tolochko has now started a “harem” and has plans to invite more wives and husbands into his home.”
https://7news.com.au/sport/life-takes-another-bizarre-turn-for-man-who-married-robot-sex-doll-called-margo-c-2694707
QUOTE: And do you remember the slippery slope arguments about gay marriage?
The problem with that is before you could get to gay marriage, one has to contend with interesting “slips” in heterosexual “marriages” (even legal in various places in the world)…adult-teen marriages, cousin marriage, sibling marriage and assorted flavors of polygamous marriage.
Slippery slope arguments are notoriously troublesome, but there is no mistaking the fact that after gay marriage was approved, we’ve seen a small explosion of weird “marriage” stories. So far they seem to just be novelty things. A woman marries her cat. A man marries his sex doll, etc.
You’re missing a key point…the aberrations of heterosexual marriage may have opened the door for gay marriage…which may have opened the door for other aberrations. It may well have been the loss of the sanctity of the original intent of heterosexual marriage that was the root cause of what we see today.
I’m not missing the point, I just don’t buy it. Yes, there were problems in heterosexual marriage that eroded the institution, but they were nothing in scope like opening up marriage to same-sex couples.
So, you don’t consider going from heterosexual marriage to gay marriage a significant scope change? Seems like a BIG one to me. As well, you may consider it as mere “problems” but when you have cousins, siblings and adult-child heterosexual marriages…that’s some weird stuff…especially considering the original intent of marriage.
That said, I don’t buy it was gay marriage that’s the root cause of what’s happening today. But, I will agree that aberrations are getting weirder. Marrying a hologram and sex doll is up there!
We miscommunicated somewhere. I do think gay marriage is a very large slope change.
You said “the aberrations of heterosexual marriage may have opened the door for gay marriage.”
I reject that. The aberrations of heterosexual marriage were important, but not nearly as cataclysmic as gay marriage.
It’s fine…we can agree to disagree. Albeit gay marriage is a clear aberration, I reject it as the root cause of the aberrations of marriage we are experiencing currently. Gay marriage is one of a number of significant aberrations from the original intent of marriage. Each has had their part in leading to where we are today.
In my experience the people who regard homosexual marriage as an aberration regard homosexuality in and of itself as an aberration (i.e. morally repellent). That could very well the chief motivating factor (for a lot of people) in singling this out as the camel that broke the camels back regarding the institution of marriage (assuming that the camel’s back is really broken).
I do think that any aberration from marriage as intended weakens marriage, and bears *some* responsibility for marriage not being held in proper guard in its intended form.
That said, it took all of human history until a few decades ago for marriage with aberrant practices to get to gay marriage as something that could be conceived as normal to the general population, and a couple-three decades to get from gay marriage to all these other weird things being gradually normalized. I think this indicates that gay marriage by itself has an effect that the poor practice of marriage by itself, did not, not merely of degree but of kind.
Either that or gay marriage and these other weird things are both products of some other cause, but I don’t know what that would be, except something vague like “an over-emphasis on individual rights.”
Or maybe the interaction of both. The emphasis on individual rights is certainly a factor, but maybe the general broad acceptance of gay marriage and giving it fully equal status with marriage, broke through some kind of dam against individualism getting totally out of hand.
Possibly. I hope people will be studying that question. But “study” is probably racist now, so maybe not.
QUOTE: I think this indicates that gay marriage by itself has an effect that the poor practice of marriage by itself, did not, not merely of degree but of kind.
There has been perversion after perversion of heterosexual marriage for 1000s of years. We’ve had: polyandrous marriages, levitate/sororate marriages, temporary marriages(nikah mut’ah),marriages to slaves, ghost marriages (to deceased people), complex/community marriage (within religious communities), sibling/cousin marriages, child/adult marriage, devadasi marriage (to a deity or temple), and marriages of convenience…to name a few. Despite not being as common heterosexual marriage, there is evidence of some cultures having homosexual marriage LONG before it becoming legalized in the 1990s in the US. There are records of marriage between people of the same sex dating back to the first century. The Boxer Codex, dated 1590, records the normality and acceptance of same-sex marriage in the native cultures of the Philippines prior to colonization. Same-sex marriages were common enough to induce an official prohibition against them in the third century AD after the conversion of the Roman Empire to Christianity.
Indeed, marriage perversions have continued since the recent legalization of US gay marriage. Yet, what empirical evidence is there to substantiate the notion that marriage went to hell in a hand basket as a result of recent gay marriage (especially given there’s been so much history of continuous marriage perversion that preceded it)?
The presupposition (which is usually unstated) among American conservatives seems to be: In the 1950s we (Americans) basically got marriage (as well as many other things) as close to what it should be as it ever has been at any time before or in any other place.
We should also take into account what kinds of marriage have been prohibited, most notably interracial marriage in certain states.
Seems some have a romanticized, distorted view of the marriage history. Personally, I’m not a fan of same-sex marriage, but let’s not be delusional and pretend heterosexual marriage was highly functional until the gay’s came along and “opened” the door to all types of dysfunction. When people have been practicing crazy things like sibling marriage, adult/child marriage and/or ghost marriages for centuries…the weirdness cat was let out of the bag a LONG time ago. What’s happened since the current advent of same-sex marriage is more being added to a running list of aberrations.
It’s akin to the mindset that has some endeavoring to whitewash American history. They love to tout a glorified, distorted history of the US and while omitting some of the gritty ugliness and sometimes despicable elements of our past. These are some of the same people that will say…. “The truth shall make you free”. The problem is…in some cases…they don’t desire for the entire truth to be known.
You seem to have missed my point. My point is precisely that these perversions have existed for all of human history, but until about five minutes ago, they were all regarded *as* perversions, outside the normal legal realm, and certainly not given legal status and even social acclamation except perhaps in isolated pockets of humanity.
Within ten years of gay marriage being legalized, there’s been a cascade of social acceptability of all manner of other perversions. I can’t make an airtight, evidence-based, or logically unassailable case, but I really think I can be excused for thinking that something in particular is up when a single shift that took thousands of years to arrive, is immediately followed by a cascade of similar shifts that were held by many to be unrelated.
Right. All these weird things about heterosexual marriage have been going on for ages and nobody seriously wondered if they could marry their cat.
QUOTE: My point is precisely that these perversions have existed for all of human history, but until about five minutes ago, they were all regarded *as* perversions, outside the normal legal realm, and certainly not given legal status and even social acclamation except perhaps in isolated pockets of humanity.
First, despite being more acceptable in some areas, homosexuality and same-sex marriage is still thought of as a perversion in many parts of the world. According to researchers, despite changes in laws and norms globally, public opinion on the acceptance of homosexuality in society remains sharply divided by country, region and economic development. Out of nearly 200 countries, same-sex marriage has gained legal status in about 30 (approx. 15% of global countries)…mostly in Europe and the Americas. Interestingly, recent research indicates, the U.S. maintains one of the lowest rates of homosexuality acceptance among the Western European and North and South American countries surveyed. In fact, there are approximately 69 countries that have laws that criminalize homosexuality. So, while acceptance may have increased in pockets of the world, there hasn’t been a ubiquitous change in attitudes and laws in global society.
Second, other perversions we tend to hear about in sensational stories (e.g., transsexualism, marriage to holograms, marriage to sex dolls, marriage to animals, etc.) are not ubiquitously accepted nor highly legal in global society. Indeed, in the US there is an increasing concern that people who identify as such shouldn’t be “discriminated” against relative to their basic civil rights (e.g., shouldn’t be fired because they identify as LGBTQ). Yet, according to The Human Rights Campaign, more than 30 state legislatures have proposed more than 115 bills that would limit transgender rights, from participation on sports teams to access to medical care. So, this hardly seems like the picture of legal acceptance and social acclamation for such proclivities.
QUOTE: I can’t make an airtight, evidence-based, or logically unassailable case, but I really think I can be excused for thinking that something in particular is up when a single shift that took thousands of years to arrive, is immediately followed by a cascade of similar shifts that were held by many to be unrelated.
I’m still trying to understand how you substantiate your point, other than speculation? What’s the single shift that took thousands of years to arrive? What cascade of similar shifts…what is this cascade comprised of? Where are the similar shifts occurring and how acceptable are they globally?
QUOTE: All these weird things about heterosexual marriage have been going on for ages and nobody seriously wondered if they could marry their cat.
How do you know that?
QUOTE: My point is precisely that these perversions have existed for all of human history, but until about five minutes ago, they were all regarded *as* perversions, outside the normal legal realm, and certainly not given legal status and even social acclamation except perhaps in isolated pockets of humanity.
First, despite being more acceptable in some areas, homosexuality and same-sex marriage is still thought of as a perversion in many parts of the world. According to researchers, despite changes in laws and norms globally, public opinion on the acceptance of homosexuality in society remains sharply divided by country, region and economic development. Out of nearly 200 countries, same-sex marriage has gained legal status in about 30 (approx. 15% of global countries)…mostly in Europe and the Americas. Interestingly, recent research indicates, the U.S. maintains one of the lowest rates of homosexuality acceptance among the Western European and North and South American countries surveyed. In fact, there are approximately 69 countries that have laws that criminalize homosexuality. So, while acceptance may have increased in pockets of the world, there hasn’t been a ubiquitous change in attitudes and laws in global society.
Second, other perversions we tend to hear about in sensational stories (e.g., transsexualism, marriage to holograms, marriage to sex dolls, marriage to animals, etc.) are not ubiquitously accepted nor highly legal in global society. Indeed, in the US there is an increasing concern that people who identify as such shouldn’t be “discriminated” against relative to their basic civil rights (e.g., shouldn’t be fired because they identify as LGBTQ). Yet, according to The Human Rights Campaign, more than 30 state legislatures have proposed more than 115 bills that would limit transgender rights, from participation on sports teams to access to medical care. So, this hardly seems like the picture of legal acceptance and social acclamation for such proclivities.
QUOTE: I can’t make an airtight, evidence-based, or logically unassailable case, but I really think I can be excused for thinking that something in particular is up when a single shift that took thousands of years to arrive, is immediately followed by a cascade of similar shifts that were held by many to be unrelated.
I’m still trying to understand how you substantiate your point, other than speculation? What’s the single shift that took thousands of years to arrive? What cascade of similar shifts…what is this cascade comprised of? Where are the similar shifts occurring and how acceptable are they globally?