If you don’t believe there’s cheating in our elections, you’re naive. But not every accusation of cheating is true, and so far (I believe) no one has proven that the cheating has flipped an election.
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QUOTE: If you don’t believe there’s cheating in our elections, you’re naive.
Indeed, there were some verified cases in the 2020 election in PA, Nevada and TX. As well, one in NC in 2018. In each instance it was a Republican perpetrator. Ironically, the first and only payout for a 2020 fraud reward program sponsored by a TX Republican went to a Progressive voter in PA (for a tip that led to the prosecution of a Republican perpetrator).
QUOTE: But not every accusation of cheating is true, and so far (I believe) no one has proven that the cheating has flipped an election.
True, accusations are one thing but proof is quite another. Yet, despite lacking evidence we’ve seen all type of wild responses to mere accusations. There are still “stop the steal” rallies a year after the 2020 election. Of course, there’s the January 6 riot mob at the Capitol Building. It will be interesting to see the outcomes of the Dominion legal suit…to see if there are consequences to unfounded accusations from the likes of Fox News, Sidney Powell, Lin Wood and Rudy Giuliani.
Interestingly, there were numerous accusations of irregularities and potential fraud by Republicans and conservative pundits prior to the 2021 Virginia Governor’s race. Now that a Republican has been declared the winner…there are no more accusations of fraud. Imagine that? Albeit, I don’t agree with the NJ Senate Democrat making unfounded accusations, it seems he’s following the Republican playbook.
The sad thing is that when these chickens come home to roost (and they will), they will likely have a devastating impact on confidence in the integrity in our elections and democracy. Still, with no proof that any fraud has occurred that would change the outcome of a given election.
People seemed willing to vote in Virginia despite all the talk of stolen elections and fraud, so I think the damage on that score is minimal, so far.
I wasn’t speaking of that election specifically. Yet, I suspect if the outcome had been different, significant damage would have followed the election.
I thought the Kraken were going to be released and everything would be made clear?
In other news, the guy that fed info to Steele for the Steele dossier was arrested: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/04/us/politics/igor-danchenko-arrested-steele-dossier.html
And, he has a Russian last name… (Or maybe Uke?)
Seems like 3-4 years of a hoax being perpetrated on us. Can only feel so sorry for orange bozo since 1) he is a POS, 2) he continued the Obama born in Africa conspiracy after it was debunked. MFer gets what he deserves, IMHO.
The lack of any Kraken answers the “Lord, Liar, Lunatic” question I posed a while ago. Apparently it is entirely possible to be a high-powered, serious, professional lawyer, and also have a few screws loose.
Trump’s commitment to various conspiracy theories does justify other people spreading stupid rumors about him. What goes around comes around. But it does not justify the government going after him based on a Democrat-funded hoax, or Congressmen intentionally lying about him.
So why are you going with lunatic and not liar? Maybe she’s just a liar? Or lunatic and liar? She seemed to give testimony before a judge to indicate she was lying.
The phrase “justify … Congressmen intentionally lying about him…” …you want to go there? There is no justification for lying all the time, but no matter who you’re talking about, an equal or more corrupt instance can be found on the other side of the aisle. It’s not as if orange bozo was a paragon of truth.
Now, to parse “justify the government going after him based on a Democrat-funded hoax…”. Exactly how have they gone after him? What has he been charged with? Nothing as far as I know of…yet. Some of his buddies, well, the FBI did find real crimes and some of they gave real false testimony. I guess if it’s good enough for Bill Clinton, it’s good enough for Trump.
If she is a liar, she is also a lunatic. To lie on a scale like that in such a serious matter requires lunacy.
I think that she is a liar who took a calculated risk. Though no rational person could believe her lie, she was well aware of the vast sea of irrational people who might enable her and her boss.
I won’t argue with that. She sounded like a cracked pot from the beginning. Ironically, her legal defense indicated, “no reasonable person would believe that her false claims and conspiracy theories about the 2020 election were truly statements of fact.” She even claimed that Trump could be reinstated as President. The sad part is that people believed her. If she is found guilty in the Dominion Voting lawsuit, I hope she receives severe consequences in hopes of discouraging other lunatic alarmists from following her example.
Oh, we can’t forget another alleged liar/lunatic…
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QUOTE: But it does not justify the government going after him based on a Democrat-funded hoax, or Congressmen intentionally lying about him.
What Democrat funded hoax? The origins of the FBI investigation seems to stem from Australian officials informing American officials that a Trump presidential campaign adviser, George Papadopoulos, told the Australian High Commissioner to Britain, Alexander Downer, that Russian officials were in possession of politically damaging information relating to Hillary Clinton. In response to this information, the FBI opened an investigation into the links between Trump associates and Russian officials. In February 2018, the Nunes memo, written by staff for U.S. Republican Representative Devin Nunes, stated that the information on Papadopoulos triggered the opening of the original FBI investigation, rather than the Trump-Russia dossier of Christopher Steele. The recent indictment provides insight into why the FBI concluded that the dossier was mostly a jumble of claims that were inaccurate, unconfirmed or already publicly reported. https://www.justice.gov/storage/120919-examination.pdf
As well, the Senate Intelligence Committee’s bipartisan Russian investigation report indicates, “The Russian government disrupted an American election to help Mr. Trump become president, Russian intelligence services viewed members of the Trump campaign as easily manipulated, and some of Mr. Trump’s advisers were eager for the help from an American adversary.”
QUOTE: If you don’t believe there’s cheating in our elections, you’re naive.
Get this, the incumbent Republican TX Attorney General, Ken Paxton, is up for re-election next year. Yet, he’s currently under indictment for fraud and has been since 2015. Additionally, in 2020, several of his high-level staff accused him of bribery, abuse of office and other crimes. So, the states’ top law official is a suspected criminal? Talk about the fox being in the hen house!
I believe it was William F. Buckley who said we’d have a better government if we randomly selected names out of the phone book and put them in office.
Indeed! Buckley also said…”decent people should ignore politics, if only they could be confident that politics would ignore them”.
Unfortunately, there are foxes in the political hen house and we must remain alert. Looks like Paxton may be one to watch…especially after that bogus lawsuit seeking to overturn the outcomes of the 2020 election results in four states (joined by 106 congressional republicans and 17 state attorneys general). Some suspect he was auditioning for a presidential pardon for his mounting personal legal challenges. Imagine that?