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Now that the anthem is open season for political protests, what’s next?

by Greg Krehbiel on 27 September 2017

What if conservative players decided to protest gay marriage by … I don’t know … making kissy faces during the anthem?

What if Catholic players decided to incessantly cross themselves during the anthem?

What if, instead of putting their hand on their heart, players decided to put their hands over their eyes as a protest against the skimpy outfits the cheerleaders wear?

2017-09-27  »  Greg Krehbiel

Talkback x 16

  1. smitemouth
    27 September 2017 @ 11:37 pm

    That would really upset the Trumpers if catholics crossed themselves incessantly during the anthem. Don’t they know they are supposed to be worshiping the flag?

    3 , 4, or 5?

    (Number of beers you had before posting that?)

  2. William
    28 September 2017 @ 12:22 am

    This isn’t new. Tommie Smith and John Carlos did something similar during the 1968 Olympic games. Others have done so intermittently for various reasons. What made this one a big deal was Trump’s intervention. This is the same man that publicly criticized his predecessor for doing something similar. Oh, with one KEY difference. He added that little something extra by referencing the players as SOBs. Real classy! When the President (government) begins to suggest a private business should fire their employees…isn’t that something that should concern American citizens too? Just sayin’.

  3. Greg Krehbiel Greg Krehbiel
    28 September 2017 @ 8:41 am

    It’s a shame that I have to spell it out for you guys.

    The question is, now that the door is open to protest, where are the limits? What standard will the NFL use to decide which protests are okay and which are not?

    When you say “no protests,” it’s easy. But when you allow one, now you have to have rules and make distinctions and judgments.

  4. William
    28 September 2017 @ 9:19 am

    @Greg, it’s a shame that you’ve missed the obvious…the door has been open for years and when necessary organizations have found ways of managing this. The primary reason it’s turned into a major kerfulle now is because of Trump’s inept intervention. The NFL is a private company, it can manage these issues without having the government weigh in.

  5. Greg Krehbiel Greg Krehbiel
    28 September 2017 @ 9:24 am

    I think you have cause and effect backwards. This was a problem for the NFL before Trump said anything. Like a good showman, he saw where things were going and he jumped on it.

    His intervention made it a bigger thing, for sure, but it was a problem for the NFL before Trump said a word.

  6. William
    28 September 2017 @ 9:59 am

    I think you’ve misunderstood my point. I didn’t say Trump “caused” this. I said, the door has been open. Yet, Trump’s meddling has made this a major kerfuffle when it had nearly died down…with the initial protester no longer in the league. That said, the NFL is a big boy and can handle this issue without government intervention.

  7. Greg Krehbiel Greg Krehbiel
    28 September 2017 @ 10:50 am

    You mentioned other protests during the national anthem, but were any of them done in the NFL?

    The NFL has been pretty strict about shutting down any sort of political or social protests or tributes. When teams have asked if they can put a sticker on their helmet as a tribute to somebody (Dallas wanted to remember the 5 police officers killed in Texas last year), the NFL said no.

    Why has the NFL been shutting down all sorts of reasonable protests / tributes / memorials, but they allow this?

    Some in the public see it as yet more political correctness forced on them by the NFL, which is probably why Trump jumped on it.

    Yes, the NFL is “a big boy,” but it doesn’t seem to me that they’ve been handling things very well. They don’t understand their market.

    Also, the NFL gets certain special privileges, like an exemption from anti-trust rules. So the government already has a finger in their business. I’m not saying that’s good, just that the government has every right to attach conditions to that exemption.

    Also, the military pays the NFL for all those pro-military things in the games. They’re not doing it out of the goodness of their hearts. So there’s another place the government has its finger in the pie — and some leverage.

  8. William
    28 September 2017 @ 11:22 am

    Again, my point was this situation was being managed by the NFL before Trump’s inept involvement. Whether you thought it was being handled well or not is of no consequence. Their market will ultimately determine. As well, Trump’s involvement is hypocritical, because he spoke against this type of thing previously. Not only was his involvement demeaning but inflamed the situation. Additionally, it implies that the President can dictiate to a private business to fire employees that haven’t done anything unlawful.

  9. Greg Krehbiel Greg Krehbiel
    28 September 2017 @ 11:30 am

    Hmm. It didn’t seem to me that the NFL was managing it, but maybe you know something I don’t.

    Trump made a huge mistake calling people SOBs. That was very stupid.

    But he did not dictate that anybody fire anybody. He said “wouldn’t it be great” if an owner did that.

    That’s what the “bully pulpit” is all about. There’s nothing wrong with the president expressing a preference like that. (Minus the SOB part.)

  10. William
    28 September 2017 @ 12:48 pm

    This situation has been going on for approximately a year and the NFL handled it in the way it deemed appropriate. Of course, that might not be up to your standard. Yet, as a private company, they have the prerogative to do as they wish as long as it’s within the law. Incidentally,the initator of this protest is no longer employed by the NFL. The potential irony, given Trump’s actions, it just might cause the NFL to reconsider having him in the league…we’ll see.

    Actually, what the President said was, “Wouldn’t you love to see one of these NFL owners, when somebody disrespects our flag, to say, ‘Get that son of a bitch off the field right now, out, he’s fired. He’s fired!” Some owners are going to do that. [They will say] ‘that guy who disrespects our flag, he’s fired…”

    Now, what “I” said was “it implies” the President can dictate to a private business…not what you stated….there’s a difference. As well, I didn’t say he couldn’t express a preference. I stated that he should follow his own advice and was hypocritical for not doing so.

  11. Scott Wicker
    28 September 2017 @ 1:42 pm

    Trump’s NFL comment is easily defensible. It is a simple call for a little patriotism. NFL would do well to take a hint from NASCAR. NASCAR has a firm, consistent set of rules and they would have had no qualms about “firing the SOB”. If Trump comes out and says the government should pass legislation to make it a law to stand during the National Anthem, or if he suggests nationalizing the NFL, then I’ll start to worry.

  12. Greg Krehbiel GregK
    28 September 2017 @ 8:48 pm

    Scott, I agree. Expressing an opinion is one thing. If he proposed a law, that’s another issue.

  13. smitemouth
    28 September 2017 @ 9:34 pm

    NASCAR has been paid more than any other sports industry to do the anthem performance. I recently saw a overhead shot of the drivers and crews doing their performance, not one black person. I think that most NASCAR fans don’t care if police shoot, beat, or kill unarmed black men. Actually, I get a feeling a guy like Richard Petty would be all for it.

    And all these stupid motherfuckers don’t realize that they aren’t protesting the god damn anthem. They are protesting injustice and killing of unarmed black men.

  14. Robin R.
    29 September 2017 @ 12:29 am

    One thing I can’t stand is stupid em effers. How do I protest against them?

  15. William
    29 September 2017 @ 12:43 pm

    @Robin, you might want to take a knee. ;-).

  16. William
    29 September 2017 @ 2:01 pm

    Interesting poll on the subject. As expected, the country is divided. A slight majority (49%) indicated it was wrong for players to kneel during the national anthem (43% say it’s right). Also, a larger majority (60%) indicated Trump was wrong for criticizing NFL players.

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