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Liberals who “genuinely can’t comprehend” anything outside their own echo chamber

by Greg Krehbiel on 27 November 2017

This one made me laugh: Archbishop of Canterbury baffled by Christians who back Trump.

The Most Reverend Justin Welby told ITV’s “Peston on Sunday” program that he “really genuinely” can’t comprehend why fundamentalists have provided such a strong base for Trump.

“There’s two things going through my mind: do I say what I think, or do I say what I should say? And I’m going to say what I think,” he said on the show, referring to the support Trump has garnered, especially from so-called Evangelical Christians. “No, I don’t understand it. I really genuinely do not understand where that is coming from.”

That’s no surprise to me. It’s my experience that many liberals are simply incapable of understanding conservatives, and there is some “social science” that allegedly demonstrates this. I.e., when conservatives are asked to answer questions as if they were liberal, they do a decent job of it, but when liberals are asked to answer questions as a conservative, they do horribly.

I suspect that in this case the bish feels that his inability to understand those vile Trumpers is some sort of virtue.

2017-11-27  »  Greg Krehbiel

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  1. William
    27 November 2017 @ 11:34 am

    QUOTE: I suspect that in this case the bish feels that his inability to understand those vile Trumpers is some sort of virtue.

    That’s one way to interpret this. Another might be that he’s genuinely struggling to understand how people that supposedly stand for virtue and immutable values didn’t seem to make them a priority, in this situation….especially given they have rigorously decried similar flaws in their political opponents.

  2. Greg Krehbiel Greg Krehbiel
    27 November 2017 @ 11:41 am

    There are certainly odd things about Evangelical support for Trump, especially given his divorces and his comments about women.

    However, in some ways he is a natural for Evangelicals. He (seems to be) a straight shooter. (I’m not saying he is — I’m saying he can come off that way.) He seems to be an “everyman’s man.” (Again, I’m not saying he is.) He seems to be anti-establishment. He seems to be anti-intellectual.

    Every one of these things could be played the other way.

    * He’s an incredible liar.
    * He’s in the top 0.1%.
    * He’s totally establishment.
    * …. Well, maybe not every one of them.

    So I can totally get why Trump appeals to Evangelicals. He pushes their buttons. He says “we’ll say Merry Christmas again.” He’s not afraid to go after Islam. He says the right stuff about abortion.

    I think it takes a particular kind of blindness to not see why Trump appeals to Evangelicals.

  3. William
    27 November 2017 @ 12:19 pm

    It’s true, Trump has promised things Evangelicals find appealing. Satan also promised appealing things to Jesus when He was fasting in the wiiderness. Not to imply Trump is Satan but the situation provides some insights on compromise and values-based choices.

    That said, despite recognizing the appeal, it still may be challenging for people like the Archbishop to understand how Evangelicals can openly justify their acceptance of Trump’s flaws but rigorously decry them in their political opponents. If those values/behaviors were disqualifying for their opponents, why not the same for Trump? It causes one to wonder what’s the greater value, political party or Christian virtues. Or, have these Evangelicals discovered an intellectually honest way of making some things justifiable for their party while illegitimate for their political opponents?

  4. Ken Crawford
    27 November 2017 @ 12:27 pm

    It may also be part of the Bishop’s problem is that as a Brit, he doesn’t get how the US’s two-party system causes a type of polarization and demonization of the other side that is difficult for him to appreciate, as well as the need to overlook more substantial flaws. In parliamentary systems, they tend to just go find another guy to support.

  5. Greg Krehbiel Greg Krehbiel
    27 November 2017 @ 2:08 pm

    @Ken, while the Brits do have a parliamentary system, aren’t they generally aligned with either the Conservative or Labor parties? And don’t we have third parties — like the Green Party, the Libertarians, etc?

    IOW, is it really that different?

  6. Ken Crawford
    27 November 2017 @ 5:00 pm

    I’m not an expert on these things, but from what I understand it’s still pretty different because the way a parliamentary system works, the 3rd parties can and do work with the major parties. The need to build a coalition when you don’t hold a majority of seats makes it advantageous to work with third parties.

    In contrast, here in the US, the relationship with 3rd parties is entirely adversarial (obviously).

    But, on the other side of the pond, you can support a 3rd party person, particularly one who will like end up in a coalition with a party, and it’s not seen as such a betrayal of that party, as that 3rd party person’s election will do little to change who is holding the reins.

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