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DACA, breaking up families, and consistency

by Greg Krehbiel on 11 January 2018

One of the objections to expelling illegals from the country is that we’d be breaking up families. I’m not exactly sure why the whole family can’t leave, but … anyway, let’s say that it’s true. It’s certainly true some of the time.

People think that’s cruel. We shouldn’t be punishing the children and breaking up the family because the parents broke the law 20 years ago.

I’m sympathetic to that position, but … shall we apply it to other areas as well?

What if a couple with three young children owns a business that’s been defrauding the IRS for ten years. Do we decline to throw them in jail because it would break up the family?

There is one important distinction, at least in my mind. Everybody knows you don’t mess with the IRS, but we’ve been giving a wink and a nod to “illegals” for decades now. You can’t expect people to take laws seriously unless you enforce them, so I have some sympathy for people who came into this country “illegally.”

Still, as I said this morning on Twitter,

2018-01-11  »  Greg Krehbiel

Talkback x 10

  1. William
    11 January 2018 @ 3:17 pm

    All the political wrangling about DACA is ridiculous. It’s outrageous that these kid’s stability are at risk because politicians want to play games. Sure, there is principle to consider but we are dealing with “real” lives too. Through no fault of their own, a group of nearly 800,000 youth were illegally brought into this country. For the most part, this is the only country they know and have no homes in their country of origin. They are law-abiding, pay taxes, have jobs, go to school, active in the military and behave better than some actual citizens.

    So, what’s so hard about trying to find a constitutional, permanent solution for these individuals…especially since both Democrats and Republicans “claim” they are sympathetic to the plight of DACA participants? Congress…do your job! Despite being difficult, if necessary, deport their parents. After all, they are the ones who broke the law. Yet, it would be particularly cruel to take action against these youth, given their circumstances.

  2. Greg Krehbiel Greg Krehbiel
    11 January 2018 @ 3:21 pm

    I agree with what you’re saying, but here’s another way to look at it.

    U.S. citizens never asked for this infusion of aliens. We didn’t want it, and we thought we had laws to prevent it, but Congress and successive administrations didn’t do their job. We told them, again and again, to deal with this, and they wouldn’t do it.

    Now, after the problem has come to this extreme level, they want to tell us there’s no alternative but to keep them all here.

    It’s very very frustrating.

  3. William
    11 January 2018 @ 3:34 pm

    Greg, that’s like lecturing a young girl that she should have been practicing abstinence AFTER she’s pregnant. Indeed, it’s good advice but it’s meaningless for her current circumstances.

    It is very frustrating. Yet, we are where we are now. We have a “real” situation to deal with…this isn’t only about principle. So, deal with the current issue and fix it so that we don’t get in this situation going forward. Frankly, given the caliber of many individuals involved in DACA, we might be better off keeping them and deporting citizens who are criminals.

  4. Dave Krehbiel Dave Krehbiel
    12 January 2018 @ 9:21 am

    I did not read everything above, and so my apologies if I am being repetitive or severely off-topic.

    If I were President Trump, I would meet with several groups of “dreamers”. I would ask them, given the choice, with data for legal status and a wall, or no legal status and no wall.

    Right now, they are pawns of the Democratic Party.

  5. Dave Krehbiel Dave Krehbiel
    12 January 2018 @ 9:22 am

    Sorry, I meant to say, “given the choice, would they prefer legal status with a wall, or no legal status and no wall.”

  6. William
    12 January 2018 @ 10:01 am

    QUOTE: Right now, they are pawns of the Democratic Party.

    They pawns being used by BOTH Democratic and Republican parties.

  7. Greg Krehbiel Greg Krehbiel
    12 January 2018 @ 10:18 am

    @Dave, that’s an interesting question. The Democrats act as if they’re looking out for the needs and best interests of the so-called dreamers, but maybe they’re just being patronizing.

  8. William
    12 January 2018 @ 11:00 am

    I wonder why funding for the wall has to be a part of the discussion for Republicans….maybe they are being opportunistic? As I recall, Trump already had a solution. He committed to and said on multiple occasions…”we will build a wall and Mexico will pay for it”. As well, “on day one we will begin working on an inpenetrable, physical, tall, powerful, beautiful Southern wall”. Could it be the dreamers may be impacted because the President hasn’t fulfilled his campaign promise in the way he prescribed?
    https://youtu.be/2J9y6s_ukBQ

  9. Dave Krehbiel Dave Krehbiel
    13 January 2018 @ 10:56 am

    @ William: I would like to go on record by saying that I believe Mexico will pay for the wall, but not in a way which you expect, And possibly not in a way which you will acknowledge.

  10. William
    13 January 2018 @ 2:12 pm

    @Dave, fine…I’ll hold you that. Yet, you err in attempting to make this about my expectations. I’m quoting what’s already on the record, Trump’s repeated commitment. As well, another matter of record is that Mexico has unequivocally denied publicly and privately that they will pay for the wall. So, this is about Trump and the Mexican government…not me. To date, Mexico’s statement of record is still valid.

    Mexico’s public position on the border wall

    Mexico’s private position on the border wall

    That said, my point was that both parties are using the dreamers as pawns in their political games. If there is indeed confidence that Mexico will pay for the wall, why must it be a key part of the DACA negotiations for Republicans?

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