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Advocating for diversity seems racist to me

by Greg Krehbiel on 23 October 2017

Quote from Diversity is a Weakness, Not a Strength

… when most people talk about “diversity,” they don’t mean a diversity of ideas. They believe a Hispanic guy, a black guy, a transsexual and a woman bring something to the table just by virtue of their race or gender.

Isn’t it racist to say that a black guy would bring something else to the table simply because he’s black, and isn’t it sexist to say that a woman would bring something different to the table simply because she’s a woman?

2017-10-23  »  Greg Krehbiel

Talkback x 18

  1. smitemouth
    23 October 2017 @ 10:29 pm

    Well, that was interesting, I guess. He doesn’t really present numbers or data or anything. He just seems to pull his opinions out of Trump’s keyster.

    Here is an article from LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/diverse-companies-more-profitable-why-explanation-glenn-fox/

    I am sure William will chime in at some point since I thought he was an HR weenie. I only bring up the article because the first paragraph cites the January 2015 McKinsey study which does seem to at least put form some numbers. They could be BS–when I was receiving my corporate brainwashing last week, they were citing the same report. I tried last week looking for critical takes on the McKinsey study, but really couldn’t find any–at least on Bing. Of course we all know there are lies, damn lies, and statistics.

    I never have the guts to ask, “why don’t we hire really shitty engineers so that we have a diversity of ability?”

    Oh, and Eagles are kicking Redskin @$$ right now.

  2. Ken Crawford
    24 October 2017 @ 1:17 am

    The assumption, that doesn’t seem entirely unreasonable to me, that makes those sorts of statements non-racist is that different ethnic/cultural groups by their nature have diversity of ideas, and race and sex (generally speaking) goes along with cultural diversity.

  3. Robin R.
    24 October 2017 @ 5:26 am

    People from the same race, gender, etc. often have comparable experiences.

    Why don’t they talk about regional diversity? That seems very important to me.

  4. Greg Krehbiel Greg Krehbiel
    24 October 2017 @ 7:36 am

    I find it very interesting that “diversity” means race and sex, but doesn’t mean whether you were rich or poor, went to public or private school (or homeschool), liberal or conservative, urban or rural, military background or no military background, religious or secular, etc.

  5. Dave Krehbiel Dave Krehbiel
    24 October 2017 @ 8:40 am

    It seems to me an organization can either be colorblind or not.

    For example, I would consider the NFL to be colorblind. The best players play.

    Dr. Martin Luther said that he dreamed of a time when people would be judged by their character rather than their skin color. I agree.

  6. Greg Krehbiel Greg Krehbiel
    24 October 2017 @ 8:47 am

    I agree that the NFL is colorblind now. I’m not sure it was a couple decades ago. Just this morning I started reading Quarterblack, by Doug Williams. I’m curious to see what he has to say about racism in the 1980s and 1990s NFL.

    An anecdote on diversity. The maintenance people are having our office windows cleaned today. That means some people come into my office and wash the insides, while some other people hang from ropes off the roof of the building and wash the outsides.

    Take a wild guess about the sex of the people on the inside and the outside.

  7. William
    24 October 2017 @ 1:54 pm

    QUOTE: I find it very interesting that “diversity” means race and sex, but doesn’t mean whether you were rich or poor, went to public or private school (or homeschool), liberal or conservative, urban or rural, military background or no military background, religious or secular, etc.

    http://web.jhu.edu/dlc/resources/diversity_wheel/index.html

  8. Greg Krehbiel Greg Krehbiel
    24 October 2017 @ 2:08 pm

    @William, of course there’s a web page that talks about diversity in other areas. You can find a web page that says anything.

    In practice — in terms of what people actually do and talk about and complain about — “diversity” means sex and race.

  9. smitemouth
    24 October 2017 @ 3:54 pm

    Well, gender and race are measurable more or less.

    1. Every time a census comes around, “conservatives” get all up in arms about the questions being too intrusive. Do you want to answer all the additional questions on a job application to be able to take in account all those factors too?

    2. Historically, race and gender have been the biggest factors in employment discrimination in the past.

  10. William
    24 October 2017 @ 3:59 pm

    QUOTE: You can find a web page that says anything.

    Agreed…even a web page that proclaims that diversity is not a strength.

    QUOTE: In practice — in terms of what people actually do and talk about and complain about — “diversity” means sex and race.

    This subject has long been defined and discussed in comprehensive terms as cited in the previous reference and the one below. As well, there are numberous resources (e.g, books, videos, websites, seminars, etc.) generally available that discuss diversity in this manner.

    That said, concerning your statement about practice…do you have data that validates it or is this your perception?

    http://redhouse-performance.com/media/daa5b9dc94994120ffff8c8effffe905.pdf

  11. Greg Krehbiel Greg Krehbiel
    25 October 2017 @ 9:14 am

    Look at news stories that complain about a lack of diversity. E.g., this one. It’s always about race and sex.

    When someone speaks about diversity in an HR setting, or an academic setting, of course they have to talk about other kinds of diversity. But when it’s a complaint, it’s always about race and sex. (Except, of course, when conservatives complain about the lack of viewpoint diversity in the media, in education, etc.)

  12. smitemouth
    25 October 2017 @ 9:28 am

    Yeah, NASA needs more flat earthers and geo-centrists. The medical schools need more anti-vaxers. 😉

  13. William
    25 October 2017 @ 10:29 am

    @Greg, didn’t someone just say “you can find a web page that says anything”? Sorry, couldn’t resist that. 😉

    That said, you commented, “when there’s a complaint, it’s always about race and sex”. Where’s the data that substantiates your claim? Does that mean there’s never complaints about age, national origin, religion, physical disability, political affiliation…to name a few? As well, you said, “diversity means race and gender but it doesn’t mean whether you were rich or poor…”. Is that based on the term’s definition or on your perception?

  14. Greg Krehbiel Greg Krehbiel
    25 October 2017 @ 10:36 am

    I suppose someone could do a Nexis search on it to find out, but in my experience, every single time I’ve heard a complaint about a company or an industry lacking diversity it’s been about sex or race.

    I’m sure you’re correct that when it’s discussed professionally, or academically, other factors are added. (After all, you need to fill up the 45 minute talk, right?) And as I’ve said, conservatives like to point out the left’s hypocrisy on this.

    But when you see a headline like “the publishing industry lacks diversity,” you can bet the mortgage it’s talking about sex or race.

  15. William
    25 October 2017 @ 11:23 am

    @Greg, true, the media does have lots of stories about race and gender. Yet, the news also contains ample amounts of stories about other elements of diversity. Recently there’s was a story about an engineer with a complaint against Google for discriminating against conservatives. There have been other stories that Google’s search engine is biased against conservatives. DAILY we are hear stories about issues that arise from political differences in our country (this has been occurring for years). There’s been complaints concerning national origin as it relates to governent polices (e.g., DACA, Travel Ban). There’s been many stories in the media about age discrimination within corporate America. As well, stories about issues uniquely impacting the elderly relative to government policy (e.g., healthcare, social security). These are just a few examples.

    That said, you said something interesting…”in my experience, every single time I’ve heard…”. Could it be that this is your perception and not reflective of what’s totally within the public domain? It would be interesting if you could provide data that sustantiates your statement.

  16. Greg Krehbiel Greg Krehbiel
    29 October 2017 @ 9:43 am

    Here’s some diversity advocacy I can get behind.

    Too Many Colleges Flunk Trump 101

  17. William
    29 October 2017 @ 4:08 pm

    Isn’t this the epitome of diversity…inclusion and respect for all types differences?

  18. William
    29 October 2017 @ 4:09 pm

    CORRECTION: Isn’t this the epitome of diversity…inclusion and respect for all types of differences?

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