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		<title>By: Jordan Henderson</title>
		<link>http://crowhill.net/blog/?p=7373&#038;cpage=1#comment-253784</link>
		<dc:creator>Jordan Henderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I heard a Keynesian economist on NPR when the stimulus was being debated who came up with numbers for how large it should be and why.  It was based on the dip in the economy projected.

His problem was not only that it was too small, but it was spread out over too long a period.  I don&#039;t recall his numbers, but I think it was around 40% too small and it was being spread out over a period of 2-3 times too long.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heard a Keynesian economist on NPR when the stimulus was being debated who came up with numbers for how large it should be and why.  It was based on the dip in the economy projected.</p>
<p>His problem was not only that it was too small, but it was spread out over too long a period.  I don&#8217;t recall his numbers, but I think it was around 40% too small and it was being spread out over a period of 2-3 times too long.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
		<link>http://crowhill.net/blog/?p=7373&#038;cpage=1#comment-253783</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 18:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no clue, but if the stimulus was supposed to go to projects that we agree can increase employment, then I fail to see why the Keynsians like Krugman are arguing it was too small. What is their criteria for size other than always screaming, &quot;Spend more!&quot; 

And if the stimulus &lt;i&gt;didn&#039;t&lt;/i&gt; get spent like it was supposed to, why should we trust the government with a second stimulus plan to not spend like it&#039;s supposed to?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no clue, but if the stimulus was supposed to go to projects that we agree can increase employment, then I fail to see why the Keynsians like Krugman are arguing it was too small. What is their criteria for size other than always screaming, &#8220;Spend more!&#8221; </p>
<p>And if the stimulus <i>didn&#8217;t</i> get spent like it was supposed to, why should we trust the government with a second stimulus plan to not spend like it&#8217;s supposed to?</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Krehbiel</title>
		<link>http://crowhill.net/blog/?p=7373&#038;cpage=1#comment-253780</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Krehbiel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:56:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama may have &lt;i&gt;said&lt;/i&gt; the stimulus went towards that sort of thing, but did it really?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama may have <i>said</i> the stimulus went towards that sort of thing, but did it really?</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
		<link>http://crowhill.net/blog/?p=7373&#038;cpage=1#comment-253779</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:51:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg, I agree that the items on your list yield jobs, but those were exactly the types of projects that President Obama said the stimulus would go towards. 

I&#039;m still missing the connection as to how the stimulus the Democrats passed last year is inadequate if that money was designated for those types of projects. If the states took federal money and appropriated it to different uses, that seems like a different problem than the &lt;i&gt;size&lt;/i&gt; of the stimulus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg, I agree that the items on your list yield jobs, but those were exactly the types of projects that President Obama said the stimulus would go towards. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m still missing the connection as to how the stimulus the Democrats passed last year is inadequate if that money was designated for those types of projects. If the states took federal money and appropriated it to different uses, that seems like a different problem than the <i>size</i> of the stimulus.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Krehbiel</title>
		<link>http://crowhill.net/blog/?p=7373&#038;cpage=1#comment-253777</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Krehbiel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:18:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If they&#039;ve got &quot;shovel-ready&quot; stuff to go this year, I say go for it -- no matter what silly political reason they had for delaying it. The unemployment rate is pretty bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If they&#8217;ve got &#8220;shovel-ready&#8221; stuff to go this year, I say go for it &#8212; no matter what silly political reason they had for delaying it. The unemployment rate is pretty bad.</p>
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		<title>By: Jordan Henderson</title>
		<link>http://crowhill.net/blog/?p=7373&#038;cpage=1#comment-253776</link>
		<dc:creator>Jordan Henderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shovel-ready meant &quot;delayed until 2010 because that&#039;s an election year&quot;.  A lot more stimulus will be spent this year than last, even though the economics behind it would have you spend it as quickly as possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shovel-ready meant &#8220;delayed until 2010 because that&#8217;s an election year&#8221;.  A lot more stimulus will be spent this year than last, even though the economics behind it would have you spend it as quickly as possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Pigweed</title>
		<link>http://crowhill.net/blog/?p=7373&#038;cpage=1#comment-253775</link>
		<dc:creator>Pigweed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 15:21:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What happened to the shovel-ready projects?

I think some states just used the money to meet budget shortfalls so they wouldn&#039;t have make cuts or raise taxes. I guess that counts as &quot;jobs saved.&quot; Government jobs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What happened to the shovel-ready projects?</p>
<p>I think some states just used the money to meet budget shortfalls so they wouldn&#8217;t have make cuts or raise taxes. I guess that counts as &#8220;jobs saved.&#8221; Government jobs.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Krehbiel</title>
		<link>http://crowhill.net/blog/?p=7373&#038;cpage=1#comment-253774</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Krehbiel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 15:16:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are some things you know intuitively and some things you have to measure and calculate. The appropriate size of the stimulus is the latter, and I don&#039;t pretend to know all the math involved, or how spending here relates to spending there, etc. 

But where to spend the stimulus seems more of an intuitive thing. There are some measurements, to be sure. Some people have studied what types of government spending are more likely to yield jobs, increased commerce, etc. But in the mad rush to pass something, what really happened was all the giddy Democrats just pulled out their favorite pork projects and tossed it all in. 

Nevertheless, it seems intuitively obvious to me that some types of spending -- like roads, airports, railroad tracks, expanded internet access, police in crime-infested neighborhoods, and education -- have a clear and direct influence on the economy. 

If the economists say we had to spend the money (which we didn&#039;t have!), at least they could have spent it on this sort of thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are some things you know intuitively and some things you have to measure and calculate. The appropriate size of the stimulus is the latter, and I don&#8217;t pretend to know all the math involved, or how spending here relates to spending there, etc. </p>
<p>But where to spend the stimulus seems more of an intuitive thing. There are some measurements, to be sure. Some people have studied what types of government spending are more likely to yield jobs, increased commerce, etc. But in the mad rush to pass something, what really happened was all the giddy Democrats just pulled out their favorite pork projects and tossed it all in. </p>
<p>Nevertheless, it seems intuitively obvious to me that some types of spending &#8212; like roads, airports, railroad tracks, expanded internet access, police in crime-infested neighborhoods, and education &#8212; have a clear and direct influence on the economy. </p>
<p>If the economists say we had to spend the money (which we didn&#8217;t have!), at least they could have spent it on this sort of thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Pigweed</title>
		<link>http://crowhill.net/blog/?p=7373&#038;cpage=1#comment-253772</link>
		<dc:creator>Pigweed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 14:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry Greg, that was your quote. No need to give John any undeserved credit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Greg, that was your quote. No need to give John any undeserved credit.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 14:46:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The argument that the stimulus package was too small baffles me. I know Krugman has made that argument from the beginning (along with other Keynsians), but the federal government will have spent over $700 billion on stimulus programs by the time it&#039;s all said and done. That is $200 billion more than China&#039;s stimulus program, which everyone has raved as a great success. Not only that, the stimulus money will continue to flow for another year!!

So what am I missing? What needs to be added, and how much should it have been?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The argument that the stimulus package was too small baffles me. I know Krugman has made that argument from the beginning (along with other Keynsians), but the federal government will have spent over $700 billion on stimulus programs by the time it&#8217;s all said and done. That is $200 billion more than China&#8217;s stimulus program, which everyone has raved as a great success. Not only that, the stimulus money will continue to flow for another year!!</p>
<p>So what am I missing? What needs to be added, and how much should it have been?</p>
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		<title>By: John K</title>
		<link>http://crowhill.net/blog/?p=7373&#038;cpage=1#comment-253765</link>
		<dc:creator>John K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 01:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m done with the idiocracy. But &lt;a href=&quot;http://scienceblogs.com/mikethemadbiologist/2010/01/obamabrown_supporters_wanted_l.php?utm_source=feedburner&amp;utm_medium=feed&amp;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+scienceblogs%2FKsPC+%28Mike+the+Mad+Biologist%29&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this site&lt;/a&gt; has some interesting poll results, if they are to believed.

FWIW, I predict a repeat of the mistakes that fed the Great Depression: a too-feeble stimulus, chickening out over idiotic worries about deficits, and a plunge into a deep, deep abyss.

And we will forever be the only industrialized country in the world that has no reasonable health care plan, spends way too much on lousy results, and uses stone-age measurement systems that make absolutely no sense at all.

But as it happens, I have other things to worry about. Shit floats, especially in politics and business, and there is nothing I can do about it. I&#039;m going to listen to Jethro Tull, brew beer, and make plans to bug out when it becomes intolerable.

&quot;I don&#039;t want to work, I just want to bang on the drum all day...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m done with the idiocracy. But <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/mikethemadbiologist/2010/01/obamabrown_supporters_wanted_l.php?utm_source=feedburner&amp;utm_medium=feed&amp;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+scienceblogs%2FKsPC+%28Mike+the+Mad+Biologist%29" rel="nofollow">this site</a> has some interesting poll results, if they are to believed.</p>
<p>FWIW, I predict a repeat of the mistakes that fed the Great Depression: a too-feeble stimulus, chickening out over idiotic worries about deficits, and a plunge into a deep, deep abyss.</p>
<p>And we will forever be the only industrialized country in the world that has no reasonable health care plan, spends way too much on lousy results, and uses stone-age measurement systems that make absolutely no sense at all.</p>
<p>But as it happens, I have other things to worry about. Shit floats, especially in politics and business, and there is nothing I can do about it. I&#8217;m going to listen to Jethro Tull, brew beer, and make plans to bug out when it becomes intolerable.</p>
<p>&#8220;I don&#8217;t want to work, I just want to bang on the drum all day&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: HispanicPundit</title>
		<link>http://crowhill.net/blog/?p=7373&#038;cpage=1#comment-253762</link>
		<dc:creator>HispanicPundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 18:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The way to understand the minimum wage is not through economics - after all, it doesn&#039;t make economic sense - it is through politics. Who does the minimum wage really help? It helps the white union middle class. The Democrats core constituents. 

The fact that it does so at the expense of the poor minority lower class is beside the point - especially since they dont vote much. 

Duke University&#039;s Michael Munger said it best when he &lt;a href=&quot;http://mungowitzend.blogspot.com/2006/08/minimum-wage-follies.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;wrote&lt;/a&gt;, &quot;We should just call it the &quot;Legislation To Increase the Salaries of Middle Class White Union Workers Who Contribute Big Bucks to Ted Kennedy.&quot; Then, at least we would be honest about who is benefitting.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The way to understand the minimum wage is not through economics &#8211; after all, it doesn&#8217;t make economic sense &#8211; it is through politics. Who does the minimum wage really help? It helps the white union middle class. The Democrats core constituents. </p>
<p>The fact that it does so at the expense of the poor minority lower class is beside the point &#8211; especially since they dont vote much. </p>
<p>Duke University&#8217;s Michael Munger said it best when he <a href="http://mungowitzend.blogspot.com/2006/08/minimum-wage-follies.html" rel="nofollow">wrote</a>, &#8220;We should just call it the &#8220;Legislation To Increase the Salaries of Middle Class White Union Workers Who Contribute Big Bucks to Ted Kennedy.&#8221; Then, at least we would be honest about who is benefitting.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Krehbiel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Krehbiel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 17:22:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, that was my quote. People want smaller government when they&#039;re upset about their taxes, feel the government is intruding on their lives, etc., but when faced with a reduction in services, they get upset.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, that was my quote. People want smaller government when they&#8217;re upset about their taxes, feel the government is intruding on their lives, etc., but when faced with a reduction in services, they get upset.</p>
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		<title>By: Pigweed</title>
		<link>http://crowhill.net/blog/?p=7373&#038;cpage=1#comment-253760</link>
		<dc:creator>Pigweed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 17:01:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Today at work I am working on a 104-page book titled:  &quot;... and the dream shall never die. A Tribute to Edward Kennedy And His Fight for Health Care Justice.&quot; Isn&#039;t it ironic that it may be his very seat that kills universal health care? A health care do-over is also likely to hurt book sales.

On smaller government:  I may need John to help me get his quote right: &quot;People are in favor of smaller government until they realize it will mean smaller government.&quot;

On minimum wage: I agree there should be no national minimum wage. Like almost everything else, it&#039;s a state matter. Samoa would have anticipated the consequences and set the minimum wage at something that the tuna industry would accept.

On flat tax: Two forces are against this. 1) The tax industry. A ridiculous portion of the economy relies on a complicated tax system: lawyers, accountants, preparers, IRS workers. 2) It is the primary means for an administration to reward and punish as well as influence individual behavior.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today at work I am working on a 104-page book titled:  &#8220;&#8230; and the dream shall never die. A Tribute to Edward Kennedy And His Fight for Health Care Justice.&#8221; Isn&#8217;t it ironic that it may be his very seat that kills universal health care? A health care do-over is also likely to hurt book sales.</p>
<p>On smaller government:  I may need John to help me get his quote right: &#8220;People are in favor of smaller government until they realize it will mean smaller government.&#8221;</p>
<p>On minimum wage: I agree there should be no national minimum wage. Like almost everything else, it&#8217;s a state matter. Samoa would have anticipated the consequences and set the minimum wage at something that the tuna industry would accept.</p>
<p>On flat tax: Two forces are against this. 1) The tax industry. A ridiculous portion of the economy relies on a complicated tax system: lawyers, accountants, preparers, IRS workers. 2) It is the primary means for an administration to reward and punish as well as influence individual behavior.</p>
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