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		<title>Comment on Good news from Pakistan by Pigweed</title>
		<link>http://crowhill.net/blog/?p=7682&#038;cpage=1#comment-254600</link>
		<dc:creator>Pigweed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 15:07:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. I have been waiting to hear that since 9-11-01. I have considered the deafening silence from Islam&#039;s peaceful and moderate leaders to reflect either tacit approval or gutless fear. 

Yes, there are probably counter-fatwas against him and it may not amount to much but it is refreshing and can offer a glimmer of hope. Extremism runs in cycles. Maybe this is a hint of reaching its peak.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. I have been waiting to hear that since 9-11-01. I have considered the deafening silence from Islam&#8217;s peaceful and moderate leaders to reflect either tacit approval or gutless fear. </p>
<p>Yes, there are probably counter-fatwas against him and it may not amount to much but it is refreshing and can offer a glimmer of hope. Extremism runs in cycles. Maybe this is a hint of reaching its peak.</p>
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		<title>Comment on John Stossel demonstrates what I don&#8217;t like about Libertarianism by Pigweed</title>
		<link>http://crowhill.net/blog/?p=7676&#038;cpage=1#comment-254599</link>
		<dc:creator>Pigweed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 14:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I consider myself a small &#039;L&#039; libertarian in that I tend toward limited intrusion but I wouldn&#039;t use the &quot;harm&quot; test to determine laws. I&#039;m more of a states-rights libertarian or even county-rights. The more local a law is the more it responds to the needs of the community and the fewer layers of bureaucracy between the people and the lawmaker.

However I won&#039;t go as far full-blown Libertarians who think the only role for the federal government is national defense, printing money and White House tours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I consider myself a small &#8216;L&#8217; libertarian in that I tend toward limited intrusion but I wouldn&#8217;t use the &#8220;harm&#8221; test to determine laws. I&#8217;m more of a states-rights libertarian or even county-rights. The more local a law is the more it responds to the needs of the community and the fewer layers of bureaucracy between the people and the lawmaker.</p>
<p>However I won&#8217;t go as far full-blown Libertarians who think the only role for the federal government is national defense, printing money and White House tours.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Students protesting budget cuts should be getting a different lesson in civics by Greg Krehbiel</title>
		<link>http://crowhill.net/blog/?p=7674&#038;cpage=1#comment-254580</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Krehbiel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 15:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure, it puts 99 people out of work, and it saves thousands of people the expense of paying for unnecessary workers! It lowers the cost of production of goods, which is what increases the standard of living. 

The reason we all have color TVs, radios, cell phones, cars and computers is because innovation and efficiency have made it cheap to make them. That eliminates some jobs but it creates others, and the increased efficiency creates a larger economy with more goods and services. 

Computers got rid of typewriters and most typists. Now the boss can type his own letter. But we&#039;re better off for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, it puts 99 people out of work, and it saves thousands of people the expense of paying for unnecessary workers! It lowers the cost of production of goods, which is what increases the standard of living. </p>
<p>The reason we all have color TVs, radios, cell phones, cars and computers is because innovation and efficiency have made it cheap to make them. That eliminates some jobs but it creates others, and the increased efficiency creates a larger economy with more goods and services. </p>
<p>Computers got rid of typewriters and most typists. Now the boss can type his own letter. But we&#8217;re better off for it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Students protesting budget cuts should be getting a different lesson in civics by JohnK</title>
		<link>http://crowhill.net/blog/?p=7674&#038;cpage=1#comment-254579</link>
		<dc:creator>JohnK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 15:45:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Innovation is much more likely to result in one person producing what 100 used to. That results in 99 people out of work.

It&#039;s a zero sum game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Innovation is much more likely to result in one person producing what 100 used to. That results in 99 people out of work.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a zero sum game.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Students protesting budget cuts should be getting a different lesson in civics by Greg Krehbiel</title>
		<link>http://crowhill.net/blog/?p=7674&#038;cpage=1#comment-254571</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Krehbiel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 02:41:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is not at all how wealth is created. 

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2007/04/wealth_creation.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here&#039;s a good article on the subject.&lt;/a&gt; 

&quot;all things that are resources become resources only after individual human beings creatively figure out how these things can be used in worthwhile ways for human betterment.&quot; 

IOW, wealth is created by innovation and technology. Not by banks. Not by governments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is not at all how wealth is created. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2007/04/wealth_creation.html" rel="nofollow">Here&#8217;s a good article on the subject.</a> </p>
<p>&#8220;all things that are resources become resources only after individual human beings creatively figure out how these things can be used in worthwhile ways for human betterment.&#8221; </p>
<p>IOW, wealth is created by innovation and technology. Not by banks. Not by governments.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Students protesting budget cuts should be getting a different lesson in civics by John K</title>
		<link>http://crowhill.net/blog/?p=7674&#038;cpage=1#comment-254570</link>
		<dc:creator>John K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 02:28:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It is possible to create wealth and make the pie bigger. But that happens through innovation and new technologies — not by printing money.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Creation of wealth happens when banks lend (not &quot;loan, dammit!) money, and when governments print it. Increasing productivity is a zero sum game unless there is someone to buy the extra goods. That can only happen if they get a loan, or if there is inflation due to governments printing money.

The article I linked to points out the basic problem with letting bankers run the central bank. They like really counterproductive things like the gold standard, because it makes them the only game in town. That&#039;s why they hate inflation so much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It is possible to create wealth and make the pie bigger. But that happens through innovation and new technologies — not by printing money.</p></blockquote>
<p>Creation of wealth happens when banks lend (not &#8220;loan, dammit!) money, and when governments print it. Increasing productivity is a zero sum game unless there is someone to buy the extra goods. That can only happen if they get a loan, or if there is inflation due to governments printing money.</p>
<p>The article I linked to points out the basic problem with letting bankers run the central bank. They like really counterproductive things like the gold standard, because it makes them the only game in town. That&#8217;s why they hate inflation so much.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Students protesting budget cuts should be getting a different lesson in civics by pentamom</title>
		<link>http://crowhill.net/blog/?p=7674&#038;cpage=1#comment-254569</link>
		<dc:creator>pentamom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 01:19:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;zero-sum game,&quot; that is. It&#039;s freaky how my fingers type mispronunciations as well as misspellings sometimes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;zero-sum game,&#8221; that is. It&#8217;s freaky how my fingers type mispronunciations as well as misspellings sometimes.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Students protesting budget cuts should be getting a different lesson in civics by pentamom</title>
		<link>http://crowhill.net/blog/?p=7674&#038;cpage=1#comment-254568</link>
		<dc:creator>pentamom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 01:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I didn&#039;t mean to pick on it for not being perfect. I just was thinking of a way of removing the &quot;noise&quot; of whether the situation was fair to begin with or not, because that&#039;s how people tend to approach the problem in real life as well. It&#039;s true things aren&#039;t a zero-sum gain, but it&#039;s also true that sometimes you have to function within constraints and all the complaining in the world about how &quot;unfair&quot; it is doesn&#039;t change that. Kids REALLY need to learn that alongside learning how to deal with the limitations themselves, if the behavior of adults is any indication.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I didn&#8217;t mean to pick on it for not being perfect. I just was thinking of a way of removing the &#8220;noise&#8221; of whether the situation was fair to begin with or not, because that&#8217;s how people tend to approach the problem in real life as well. It&#8217;s true things aren&#8217;t a zero-sum gain, but it&#8217;s also true that sometimes you have to function within constraints and all the complaining in the world about how &#8220;unfair&#8221; it is doesn&#8217;t change that. Kids REALLY need to learn that alongside learning how to deal with the limitations themselves, if the behavior of adults is any indication.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Students protesting budget cuts should be getting a different lesson in civics by Greg Krehbiel</title>
		<link>http://crowhill.net/blog/?p=7674&#038;cpage=1#comment-254566</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Krehbiel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 21:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Except ... of course ... that can encourage another economic fallacy -- the idea that resources are a zero sum game. 

It is possible to create wealth and make the pie bigger. But that happens through innovation and new technologies -- not by printing money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Except &#8230; of course &#8230; that can encourage another economic fallacy &#8212; the idea that resources are a zero sum game. </p>
<p>It is possible to create wealth and make the pie bigger. But that happens through innovation and new technologies &#8212; not by printing money.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Students protesting budget cuts should be getting a different lesson in civics by Greg Krehbiel</title>
		<link>http://crowhill.net/blog/?p=7674&#038;cpage=1#comment-254565</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Krehbiel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 21:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not the perfect lesson. 

The main idea was to instill some basic economic facts that people like to forget, like that there isn&#039;t infinite money in the world, so when you add to one thing you have to take away from something else. 

Maybe it should be amended so that on the second day, the teacher buys 5 pies, but 1 is taken away because the governor wanted to give that pie to corn growers, or something like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not the perfect lesson. </p>
<p>The main idea was to instill some basic economic facts that people like to forget, like that there isn&#8217;t infinite money in the world, so when you add to one thing you have to take away from something else. </p>
<p>Maybe it should be amended so that on the second day, the teacher buys 5 pies, but 1 is taken away because the governor wanted to give that pie to corn growers, or something like that.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Students protesting budget cuts should be getting a different lesson in civics by pentamom</title>
		<link>http://crowhill.net/blog/?p=7674&#038;cpage=1#comment-254564</link>
		<dc:creator>pentamom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 18:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You need to include in the lesson the principle that it&#039;s irrelevant whether or not the pizzas are being limited because someone is being &quot;mean&quot; or &quot;unfair&quot; -- you still have to figure out how to divide them up. The way you&#039;ve structured it makes it sound very arbitrary and like the kids could just complain that the teacher just shouldn&#039;t do it that way, but I&#039;m sure there&#039;s a way to modify the scenario to make that aspect of it  a separate issue. It shouldn&#039;t necessarily be a non-issue -- sometimes the fact that the pie could legitimately be increased is part of the reality. But sometimes it isn&#039;t, so the example should be designed to leave that issue outside the scope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You need to include in the lesson the principle that it&#8217;s irrelevant whether or not the pizzas are being limited because someone is being &#8220;mean&#8221; or &#8220;unfair&#8221; &#8212; you still have to figure out how to divide them up. The way you&#8217;ve structured it makes it sound very arbitrary and like the kids could just complain that the teacher just shouldn&#8217;t do it that way, but I&#8217;m sure there&#8217;s a way to modify the scenario to make that aspect of it  a separate issue. It shouldn&#8217;t necessarily be a non-issue &#8212; sometimes the fact that the pie could legitimately be increased is part of the reality. But sometimes it isn&#8217;t, so the example should be designed to leave that issue outside the scope.</p>
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		<title>Comment on John Stossel demonstrates what I don&#8217;t like about Libertarianism by pentamom</title>
		<link>http://crowhill.net/blog/?p=7676&#038;cpage=1#comment-254563</link>
		<dc:creator>pentamom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 18:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I think what it boils down to is the definition of &quot;harm.&quot; But once that definition gets too complex, then the simple libertarian principle of &quot;as long as there&#039;s no harm&quot; becomes close to meaningless, and maybe not a useful operating principle.

And yeah, the teaching function of law is often overlooked but it seems glaringly obvious to me. People who think that outlawing abortion wouldn&#039;t stop people from doing it are just, well, silly-billies. It wouldn&#039;t end it, but it most certainly WOULD limit it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I think what it boils down to is the definition of &#8220;harm.&#8221; But once that definition gets too complex, then the simple libertarian principle of &#8220;as long as there&#8217;s no harm&#8221; becomes close to meaningless, and maybe not a useful operating principle.</p>
<p>And yeah, the teaching function of law is often overlooked but it seems glaringly obvious to me. People who think that outlawing abortion wouldn&#8217;t stop people from doing it are just, well, silly-billies. It wouldn&#8217;t end it, but it most certainly WOULD limit it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Students protesting budget cuts should be getting a different lesson in civics by DSM</title>
		<link>http://crowhill.net/blog/?p=7674&#038;cpage=1#comment-254560</link>
		<dc:creator>DSM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 07:46:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You keep forgetting that there is no limit to the size of the pie when the government prints the money.&quot;

As always, JK gets right to the heart of the matter-- and I&#039;m actually inclined to agree.  There is no limit to the size of the pie; the government can make the pie as big as it wants.  

Unfortunately there is a limit to the mass of the pie, which refuses to heed government dictates to change.  Therefore the pastry in question will become sufficiently diffuse that it&#039;s indistinguishable from no pie at all.  At this point it becomes difficult to run a cake shop, as your customers can get better dessert for their money elsewhere, and bartering cake for other products becomes impractical given the sheer volume of cake required to get any icing. 

Cake.   Yum!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You keep forgetting that there is no limit to the size of the pie when the government prints the money.&#8221;</p>
<p>As always, JK gets right to the heart of the matter&#8211; and I&#8217;m actually inclined to agree.  There is no limit to the size of the pie; the government can make the pie as big as it wants.  </p>
<p>Unfortunately there is a limit to the mass of the pie, which refuses to heed government dictates to change.  Therefore the pastry in question will become sufficiently diffuse that it&#8217;s indistinguishable from no pie at all.  At this point it becomes difficult to run a cake shop, as your customers can get better dessert for their money elsewhere, and bartering cake for other products becomes impractical given the sheer volume of cake required to get any icing. </p>
<p>Cake.   Yum!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Students protesting budget cuts should be getting a different lesson in civics by Greg Krehbiel</title>
		<link>http://crowhill.net/blog/?p=7674&#038;cpage=1#comment-254556</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Krehbiel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 02:12:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The lesson people need to learn is that there&#039;s no unending flow of money somewhere. 

I&#039;m sure spending priorities are messed up, and that would be a valid thing to complain about. 

My main point is that using elementary school children to promote an agenda they can&#039;t really understand is despicable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The lesson people need to learn is that there&#8217;s no unending flow of money somewhere. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure spending priorities are messed up, and that would be a valid thing to complain about. </p>
<p>My main point is that using elementary school children to promote an agenda they can&#8217;t really understand is despicable.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Students protesting budget cuts should be getting a different lesson in civics by rrosco</title>
		<link>http://crowhill.net/blog/?p=7674&#038;cpage=1#comment-254555</link>
		<dc:creator>rrosco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 02:08:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, students here in Georgia are upset. But they have a good reason to be upset. After years of both steep enrollment increases and budget cuts to the University System of Georgia (USG), the education committee in the legislature recently came out and basically asked the USG to shoulder more than 30% of all state budget cuts for the next fiscal year (2011). The USG only makes up 12% of the state budget. Cuts of this magnitude would cripple USG institutes (the amounted to the entire budgets of most USG institutions) if implemented. Or tuition could be raised 77% to prevent said cuts.

This when raising Georgia&#039;s tobacco taxes to the national level would raise about the same amount as the proposed budget cuts. Oh, and this at a time when the governor wants to build a $9 million horse farm with state money in his home county. I can&#039;t speak for all states, but college students in Georgia have a reason to be angry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, students here in Georgia are upset. But they have a good reason to be upset. After years of both steep enrollment increases and budget cuts to the University System of Georgia (USG), the education committee in the legislature recently came out and basically asked the USG to shoulder more than 30% of all state budget cuts for the next fiscal year (2011). The USG only makes up 12% of the state budget. Cuts of this magnitude would cripple USG institutes (the amounted to the entire budgets of most USG institutions) if implemented. Or tuition could be raised 77% to prevent said cuts.</p>
<p>This when raising Georgia&#8217;s tobacco taxes to the national level would raise about the same amount as the proposed budget cuts. Oh, and this at a time when the governor wants to build a $9 million horse farm with state money in his home county. I can&#8217;t speak for all states, but college students in Georgia have a reason to be angry.</p>
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